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if prosecutors did enforce these tough laws equally. then a lot of white house officials and commissioned officers would be headed to jail. the current approach, whatever you think of leaks, does not deserve to be called military justice. that does it for us at "the cycle" martin, it's all yours. >> good afternoon, it's wednesday, june fifth and the president has a message for his critics. it takes a sharp elbow to run this town. >> the meek or milder obama, wrong. >> in your face appointment. >> the woman who went out on the sunday shows and misled the nation. >> what happened in benghazi. >> 14 days before he called what happened in benghazi, an act of terror. >> can you say that a little louder, candy. >> i don't trust her, if she didn't know better, she shouldn't be the voice of america. >> besmirch her reputation. >> we will do whatever is
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necessary to block the nomination. >> you want to go somebody? they should go after me. >> this is a defiant gesture by the president. >> the woman you dant want to be secretary of state is going to have even more power. >> right there in the west wing. do they think she's an easy target? they have a problem with it. >> i couldn't be more grateful to him. ♪ you ain't seen nothing yet. ♪ ♪ here's something that you never going to forgot ♪ >> good afternoon and we begin with a major shakeup of the administration's national security team. with the president naming susan rice, the lightning rod ambassador to the u.n., to be his new national security adviser. the president made the announcement this afternoon, thanking outgoing national security adviser, tom donolan and welcoming rice as his replacement. it was in his remarks about ms. rice that illustrated just how much he values his close relationship with the sometimes
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controversial diplomat. >> susan's the consummate public servant, a patriot who puts her country first, she has a great tennis game and a pretty good basketball game. her brother is here, who i play with occasionally. and it runs in the family. throwing the occasional elbow. but -- hitting the big shot. >> a nod there to the president's tough game. a defiant rebuttal to the republicans, who waged an aggressive smear campaign against ms. rice over those so-called benghazi talking points. effectively derailing the possibility of her being secretary of state, even before she could get a nomination. call it an elbow thrown to the likes of lindsay graham and john mccain. >> i don't trust her. and the reason i don't trust her, is because i think she knew better and if she did know
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better, she shouldn't be the voice of america. >> we'll do whatever is necessary to block the nomination that's within our power as far as susan vice concerned. >> unfortunately, for them, the powerful post of national security adviser doesn't require senate confirmation. senator mccain reserved his displeasure to a discreet tweet. quote obviously i disagree with potus appointment of susan rice as national security adviser. but i'll make every effort to work with her on important issues. but it appears the president is feeling emboldened. consider the security shuffle does come on the first day this week, when -- get this -- there are no congressional hearings on the irs. but never fear, they're back at it tomorrow morning. with collected and wasted, the irs spending culture and conference abuses. hosted by none other than, you guessed it, house oversight committee chairman, mr. darrell maserati issa.
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mr. issa wasted no time attacking the president and ms. rice just moments ago. >> you know, susan rice claims that she reads the classified dailies. obviously if she had read the classified dailies, she couldn't have been so wrong on benghazi, it's unfortunate the president is rewarding somebody for reading talking points that simply weren't true. >> mr. maserati issa there pumped up for tomorrow's hearings. every time, though, issa offers unsubstantiated attacks on the president or calls someone a liar, do a shot. of espresso, of course. let's get to our guest. elijah cummings, is congressman elijah cummings, a democrat of maryland. good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon, martin. >> i wonder if you could give us your response to the president's appointment of a known liar, susan rice, as his national security adviser, because that's how she has been repeatedly described by your colleague on the house oversight committee,
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mr. darrell issa. >> first of all, i think it's unfortunate that chairman issa would use such words for a, an awesome lady. who has served as our u.n. ambassador, did an outstanding job. absolutely brilliant candidate for the national security adviser. and so, but you know, fact is, that she's done a great job. and i thought she got just, i thought she was treated very unfairly when it came to the secretary of state position. but clearly, the president knows that he can rely on her for very good advice. he knows her history, he knows her to be very competent. and i've known her for many years, and have relied on her advice, and she is absolutely an excellent choice. and i'll do everything in my power to support her. and i'm glad to hear, by the way, senator mccain say that maybe he doesn't like the appointment. but that he's going to work with
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her. he needs to work with her. she is one who deserves it. and we need to move forward. >> well speaking of liars, sir, mr. issa appears to have monopolized the telling of lies in house hearings. he lied when he said that the president intentionally withheld military assets when responding to attacks in benghazi. he lied when he said the secretary of state signed a cable authorizing the reduction of security at overseas embassies. he lied when he accused susan rice of lying what about what happened in benghazi. he lied when he said the irs scandal was connected to the white house. those are four lies, what's it like working for a chairman who repeatedly lies through his teeth? >> my job, martin, is to keep our committee focused on the things we ought to be focused on. in spite of what chairman issa might say. right now with regard for example to benghazi, we just had
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the, the head of the arb, general pickering to come before us, yesterday, ambassador pickering. he did an outstanding job. and chairman issa wanted him to come in for a deposition first. the ambassador has said all along. i want to come in before the american public. and clear the record. and he said that issa had accused him of covering up information with regard to benghazi. and now that admiral pickering has come in, that's when admiral pickering has come in, done the interview, it's now time for chairman issa to do what he said he would do, and that is have him come before a full hearing and present to the people of the united states what he has to say. and by the way, i sat in about 80% of the deposition yesterday, martin and he would make an outstanding witness. i think he'll be able to clear up a lot of the misinformation that has been put out there. but let's see if chairman issa keeps his word. >> i can't wait for that.
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now in october 2010, darrell issa wrote an op-ed for the "u.s.a. today" newspaper. which included this -- he said this, it's very clear that the american people do not want divided government hell-bent on fighting one another to score cheap political points. after he was appointed to the oversight chair, you wrote to him, referencing that op-ed and this is what your letter said. i want the committee to engage in oversight that is regarded as -- [ inaudible ] [ inaudible ] [ inaudible ]
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i think the president has been struggling to regain the moral authority to lead the nation, and this doesn't really encourage anyone. how are they going to have the authority for people to believe ha they're saying, when he's promoting someone who directly and deliberately misled the public over benghazi? >> what you just witnessesed is
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indicative of a particular meant am disorder called obama derangement syndrome and while you will not find that disorder listed in the recently released dsm v you will find it chronicled in detile in a new book about the president's first term "the center holds: obama and his enemies." we're delighted to welcome the book's author, jonathan alter. jonath jonathan, i think i've read two thirds and it's an outstanding work of contemporary history. but my view is not shared by others. fox news have just released a statement to our website moments ago about your depiction of fox's roger ailes. jonathan alter is living if an altered universe, his fantasies about a man to whom h malice. nearly 100% of the items he lists in his book are factually inaccurate, and are in fact complete outright fiction. your response? >> well, i guess the question is who do you believe, me or roger ailes? you know he says i have no sources for this. all my sources are current or former fox news employees. you'll notice that he never actually denies a specific charge. i'm very familiar with this kind
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of thing for years of "newsweek." >> it's the blanket condemnation. it's all rubbish. >> right, we get all of these letters to the editor saying that's a tip-off that they don't actually have any response on the substance. so he doesn't want to address just for instance, you know i had a story in the book where rupert murdoch said when he came into work that roger was so bonkers, so dmuts, that he actually worked out of a supply closet because he thought the rest of the news corp. building was bugged. and i heard this from two people who heard it directly from rupert murdoch. two excellent sources, high-ranking former people in the fox news empire, right? so the question really here, is you know, why is he responding this way? he claimed that he hadn't appeared on any statement claims, i haven't appeared on any networks. i've been on nbc news twice now for my books. so the statement is just kind of
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riddled with its own factual inaccuracies. why are they doing it. because they're a little bit stung. there have not until now been books that directly went at fox news and called them out for their lies and what they've done to the news business in general over the last 15 years. i did that, it's only a small part of the book where i try to tell a much bigger story about what happened. >> there's a slight irony, because it sounds as if mr. ailes actually believes he's the subject of the book, when in fact it is the president. that seems to be a problem. but let's talk about the obama derangement syndrome. you say it's epidemic proportions. why has there been no cure? we've just heard marco rubio
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out of touch, and quote stuffy old men. more time must be spent communicating with young voters, where they get their information. >> so what better way to revive gop communications than hiring a chief technology officer. out. because technology and the republican party? they're not such comfortable bed fellows. take the example of senator ted stevens, who was ostensibly the chair of the senate commerce committee. a committee that was charged with regulating all kinds of commerce that takes place on the web. but this is how he described the internet just a few years ago. >> i just the other day got an internet was sent by my staff at 10:00 on friday, i got it yesterday. the internet is not something that you just dump something on. it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. >> so, mr. barkett will be charged with running the rnc's
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from caveman in the shadows to homespun americans on capitol hill. here are today's top lines, what in the h-e, double hockey sticks is diversity. >> the president's dishonesty, incompetence, vengefulness and lack of moral compass. >> simply political theater. >> lady before the congress today that was crying. >> i had anxiety. >> talking about depression. >> and i felt betrayed. >> people are going to get reviewed when they say that they are nonpolitical. >> each of your groups is highly political. >> they're terrific people. homespun americans. >> what happened to you was unfair. but it was a mistake. >> today a guy said he had an enemy's list. >> enemy's list, out of the white house. >> there is no enemy's list. >> we will not tolerate another political enemy's list. >> it will not stand this aggression will not stand, man. >> i always say the great thing about diversity. >> what in the hell's diversity. >> the stuff doesn't get by.
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all-male, white male crowd. >> diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the civil war era. >> no ron burgundy here. >> come on, it's not a bad thing. >> this isn't about sex. >> our goal should be to hold commanders more accountable. >> this is about assaultive domination and violence. >> young folks coming into each of your services. >> this isn't about sex. >> hormone level created by nature -- sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur. >> are you frickin' kidding me? >> making commanders less responsible will not work. >> not every commander can distinguish between a slap on the ass and a rape. >> gee whiz. >> you have lost the trust of the men and women who rely on you. >> i cannot overstate my disgust and disappointment. >> there are a lot of cavemen coming out of the shadows. >> let's get to our panel now. joining us now is political strategist angela rye, my
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colleague and co-host of the cycle, crystal ball. and jonathan capehart on the north lawn of the white house. jonathan, there are a lot of caveman in the shadows, it's a good thing we find you right nous to the white house, we'll get to the next episode of men behaving badly. but first let's listen as the first lady confronts a heckler last night in washington, d.c., this is new tape, take a listen to this. >> one of the things that i don't do well is this -- >> now. jonathan, this exchange came as the first lady confronted a heckler, as you know, who wants the president to sign an executive order protecting the lgbt community from discrimination. white house press secretary, jay carney says she acquitted herself, i'm quoting him, brilliantly. you wrote about this. ha do you think? >> i think you know, look, first lady wasn't having it last night. she was speaking very passionately about children during that, during that
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fundraiser. and she was heckled. i thought she handled herself, yes, as jay carney said, brilliantly and i think appropriately. she's not the president of the united states, her husband is. and the heckler, ellen serts. she wants the president to sign an executive order protecting the lgbt americans in their jobs, the folks who work for federal contractors. that's what she's fighting for. the first lady did the right thing by standing up for herself. the heckler was rude and inappropriate in the venue and the timing of what she had to say. but the substance of what she had to say was right. >> well crystal, do you agree? because there's some suggestion that the president had previously intimated that he would sign something like an executive order that would protect lgbt people in the federal workplace, which is around 20% of employees? >> right. >> what's your reaction to the way the first lady handleded it? >> i think jonathan capehart
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said it brilliantly. said]. brilliantly in his colum. the first lady responded in a graceful, forceful manner. totally within her rights. but the heckler here was raising what is a very important issue and i can certainly understand why she, as a list beian, is very upset about the president not signing an executive order. there's also a split here in the lgbt rights community. between those who want to work together with the administration, with the democratic party and those who want to engage in more sort of direct action techniques. there's been this divide and there's been attention between those two groups. but much like i think the first lady and this heckler were well within their rights and their responses, i think both of those approaches are needed. you need to work together with the administration and with the congress and with democrats who are on your side. you also need to sometimes call attention to issues like this executive order. that haven't gotten a lot of attention. and sometimes you have to be a little obnoxious to call attention to those things.
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>> angela, the fact is, this president has been more responsive to the lgbt community than any of his predecessors. >> well, martin, i think that that's only part of the point. i think we also have a president who has been very hopeful and optimistic about engaging through another side or another break with the government. that is the legislative branch. early on, he planned on addressing the issues through the legislative processes. what we found is the legislators continue not to want to work with him, at least on the house side. the president is now, we have exhibit a today, he's appointed susan rice. they don't have to confirm her. he didn't have to nominate her. that's his pick. i think this is setting a doan for how he will continue to move forward. in his second term. he will continue to use the power of the executive order. federal rule making and others. maybe there will be another commission, who knows. i think the president will definitely continue to utilize the force of his appointment. >> there were calls for him to
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unilaterally end the policy of don't ask don't tell. which he resisted and did end up working through the legislature. and that -- >> and was successful. >> very successful. >> on this particular issue, it's hard to see how he would be able to get this particular protection for lgbt individuals through the house as controlled by republicans. which is why there's the pressure to do it through an executive order. >> okay, well let's move on. jonathan, tempers are flaring especially at the senate armed services committee. here's senator claire mccaskill, democrat of who movement let's listen do this. >> i want to say this on the record, general franklin, when he felt compelled to just fi what he had done, have you all read his letter that he wrote? i recommend you read it. because it was astoundingly ignorant. he opened it that she didn't get a ride home when she had a chance. are you frickin' kidding me?
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>> so she's talking there, jonathan about an individual case where so often happens, it appears the victim is being blamed. now that's bad enough. but perhaps even worse, is that people still don't seem to get that rape is not about sex. it is about violence. have we forgotten that? >> well, apparently so. and apparently there are members of congress, members of the armed services, particularly in the leadership, who haven't quite figured that out. and that's why what senator mccaskill is doing and what senator jilljillen brand, has b thinking that they've got to change the attitudes and the culture within the military to insure that these sexual assaults not only just don't happen again, but that it doesn't occur to people and that the leadership when they see it happening. it doesn't have to be something that's so flagrantly abusive that even a caveman can look and
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say oh, you know, that's not quite right. but to recognize behaviors and patterns to insure that you know, you put a stop to it before it becomes something really, really bad. >> the commander may know their attacker personally. the commander may even have been their attacker. and so you have a situation where there's a problem from top to bottom. there's a large rate of sexual assault in the military. there is huge problem of underreporting. then, after they have, if the woman or the man is courageous enough to report, there's a very low level of the perpetrators being brought to trial. there's a very low level of conviction. so you have a problem really from top to bottom. and the key thing here is that we have to take outside of the line of command, that initial
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reporting so that women and men alike feel safe to come forward and expose the problem when it happens. >> angela, it struck me that when i was listening to some of that hearing, it was almost as if those within the military didn't seem to register the wider view in our society, that this sort of crime is reprehensible and unacceptable. >> well it's been hidden so long. and so part of the even the challenges and the issues that a lot of the military folks who are present had with senator gillibrand's bill is about change. nobody wants to change you know the overall culture. and so at the end of the day, you have to look at why we have inspector generals and agencies throughout the executive branch. why are there ombudsman types? the reason why is a lot of times as crystal talked about, when you have personal relationships and connection with people that are your subordinates or maybe it's you with the problem, it's really hard to create change without having an outsider looking in and trying to get
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senior fellow at the center at budget and policy priorities. good afternoon, sir. mr. cassidy is running for senate next year in louisiana. so is that what voters are demanding, less money to deal with katrina-sized issues? >> the crazy just keeps coming. yeah, think about louisiana, think about katrina, think about what oklahoma has been going through. >> abolish the irs, jared. >> so the whole thing is completely incoherent. even if you listen to ted cruz, which i don't recommend you do, it's sort of like looking directly at the sun, the kind of thing you shouldn't do. he says we should abolish the irs and have a flat tax, okay. so who is going to collect the flat tax? which agency is going to -- >> bain capital can collect it. >> maybe there will be a new organization called the sri, it's just complete incoherence. >> interestingly, the website we
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just showed is paid for by a pac founded by former senator, jim demint. here is mr. demint a week ago today on why we need to fight the irs, take a listen, jared. >> obama care puts the irs on steroids. greta. >> steroids, jared. that's major league baseball should be investigating the irs, too. but seriously, the irs is just another straw man for the gop's relentless war on health care reform, isn't it? >> two things, relentless war on health care reform and relentless war on paying taxes and who pays taxes? folks with high incomes like the people that jim demint is representing with that position. look, the irs scandal that's erupted with these 501(c)4s, is actually paradoxically a good example of congress basically off-shoring their job to the irs in a completely incoherent way.
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when it comes to collecting taxes and when it will come to implementing the affordable care act, the irs is perfectly capable of all of the above. because the rules are clear-cut. when you get to trying to figure out who should be exempted for political activities, those rules are extremely amorphous. so this is exactly as you say, an attack on obama care, but also an attack on taxpayering, something that is a huge issue for the gop. >> except for mitt romney, who pays 9% in tax. now jonathan alter was on the show earlier, jared discussing his new book. a line in the book which reads the verdict of history has had no effect on republican thinking. flat taxes, health care repeals. why do we just keep coming back to this, jared? >> you know, i was thinking when i heard this flat tax, i was thinking about the 999 plan, that's the flat tax, folks. and i think probably one of the most popular graphs i remember
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having on my own blog was one that showed you the magnitude of the tax break that millionaires get from these kinds of plans. because their taxes go way down. now if you want to keep from losing revenue, which means losing services, things that people actually care about, retirement, security, health care, education, infrastructure, our parks, then you're going to have to get that revenue from somewhere, so the middle class taxes have to go way up. a huge shift in the burden of taxation. >> jared bernstein, as ever, thank you, sir. coming up the white house abuzz this afternoon and we'll take you there, stay with us. [ male announcer ] at his current pace,
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between the appointment of susan rice as national security adviser and the news of rebel suffering a major loss in syria, it's been quite an eventful day at the white house. in the world ever foreign policy and national security. joining us from the white house, is our own kristen welker.
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kristen, let's begin with the news today out of syria. government forces have taken control of the town of al kasar. in part due to the lack of the rebels' sufficient arms. does the appointment today of susan rice, make military intervention in syria more or less likely? >> well, martin, good afternoon. i don't know if we can say whether or not it makes military intervention more or less likely. but we do know that susan rice has been incredibly outspoken, especially when it comes to human rights abuses. you will recall she was one of the key voices in terms of encouraging the united states and the u.n.-led effort into libya. she was one of the key voices when it came to increases sanctions with iran and north korea. so we know that she is someone who is not afraid to speak her mind on these issues. i would point out that the pressure is mounting. because of factors that you have
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discussed. one of them the fact that the government seems to be gaining the upper hand. within the past 24 hours, france reaffirming that they believe that sarin nerve gas was used inside syria. couple that with the mounting death toll, martin. more than 70,000 people have been killed at this point. and those are the deaths that we know about. so i would say all of those factors putting more pressure on the obama administration to make some kind of decision. >> kind of an accumulated effect. all of this comes two days before the president's upcoming meeting with the chinese president, what can you tell us about this meeting. well this meeting comes at a pivotal time. the united states trying to shift its foreign policy focus to the asia/pacific region as it draws down troops from afghanistan. so this meeting is really a key part of that policy decision. president obama will be meeting with chinese president, xi jinping at a resort called
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sunnyland in southern california 59 rancho mirage. the ckdrop aimed at fostering a personal connection between these two leaders. there will be some important issues on the table, including cyber attacks, as well as north korea and human rights abuses. so i expect all of those issues to be on the table. going back to the appointment of susan rice, it allows national security adviser tom donalan to oversee that meeting. >> kristen, you will be covering that meeting? >> i will be. >> we'll be right back. can become major victories. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. when i was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, my rheumatologist prescribed enbrel for my pain and stiffness, and to help stop joint damage. [ male announcer ] enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred.
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the president of the united states directed what you call a culture of intimidation at the irs to target political opponents? >> i don't think we know what the facts are. >> that hasn't stopped you from accusing. >> there isn't a weekend that hasn't gone by, that someone says to me, why aren't you impeaching the president. >> this strategy is nothing new. and it was explained way back in 1981, by lee atwater, who was bush 41's chief strategist. in a tape recording, mr. atwater revealed how republicans evolved their language to achieve the same purpose. he said you start out in 192&oó by saying n word n word n word. by 1968, you can't say n word. that hurts you, back-fires. so you say stuff like -- forced bussing. states rights, and all that stuff and you're getting so abstract. now you're talking about cutting taxes. we want to cut this. is much more abstract than even the bussing thing and a hell of a lot more


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